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[Barry Brien]

What do we know so far?

This movie begins during the end of the Clone Wars. The Clones, led by Jedi generals like Obi Wan Kenobi, fight the Speratist armies.

The film starts with a great battle. The Seperatists have kidnapped Palpatine. Anakin goes to rescue him and he fights Count Dooku. Anakin kills Dooku but loses a leg. This is all in the first ten minutes of the film.

C-3po donates one of his legs to Anakin. Maybe this would explain why 3po has a silver leg in the first three movies.

Anakin gets angry because he thinks that the other Jedi should show more respect towards him because he killed Dooku.

After Palpatine's kidnapping Anakin becomes his personal bodyguard.

The villian of the movie is called Grievous. He is in charge of the Seperaist army. Obi-Wan Fights him. I think Grievous is an android, but he fights with four lightsabers.

At some point in the movie Palpatine declares himself Emperor and instructs all the Clone troopers to turn on their Jedi generals.

Palpatine/Sideous is very active in this movie. He performs stunts and even fights with a lightsaber.

Anakin kills Mace Windu in a battle between Anakin and Sideous against Windu, which is supposed to be reminiscent of the duel in Return of the Jedi.

At one point Sideous is shooting electricity at Mace, who deflects it with his funky saber and it shoots into Anakin's eyes, and he goes crazy and chops off Mace's arm.

Padme is pregnant in the movie, though as her marriage to Anakin is a secret, it supposed to be disguised with clever clothing. Anakin does not know she is pregnant with twins.

We get to see Chewbacca, and a load of other Wookiees fighting in this movie. And we see their home planet as well as a load of other new planets, like Alderaan.

Tarkin from the first movie will be in the movie as well.

Some of the characters, like Anakin, were given 70s style haircuts, so that the movie will tie in with episode IV. We will see a lot of similar technology as well, like Leia's ship at the start of epsiode IV.
The Jedi Starfighters are also said to resemble Tie Fighters in this movie.

Anakin kills Padme. He uses the force strangle on her, and goes a little overboard, and she dies. What's not clear is whether she dies instantly or not, because I also read that the kids have to be delivered before she dies, so they're taken out of her prematurely by Chewbacca, and given seperate homes.

Anakin is responsible for the slaughter of Jedi and younglings.

There's a big duel between Anakin and Obi Wan on a lava planet called Mustafar. Obi Wan defeats Anakin, who falls into lava or something, and he is later rescued by Sideous and turned into Darth Vader.

James Earl Jones said he'd recorded seven minutes of speech as Vader for episode III, so we'll be seeing a bit of Vader. Apparantly Vader takes his look from other characters in the movie, according to George Lucas. I don't know if he meant literally, or stylistically. Anyway, Vader and Sideous kill all the Jedi.

Mon Mothma is in the film. Great.

There's going to be stuff about ghosts and all that explained.

And in other news...

It seems that episodes 7 8 and 9 may get made after all. George Lucas doesn't want to make them, so Steven Spielberg might be.

[Taton]

AAAHH SPOILERS!!!!

O well, I guess its to late now...

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[Kir Kanos]

Holy God. Could that be any stupider?

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"Curse you, Kanos!!! Why don't you just DIE?!"

[XDelusion]

Some of it sounds kool, but if Chewbacca really delivered the jedi twins, I'd walk out of the movie.

As for Steven doing 7-9, I'd be all up for that, but perhaps maybe if someone else who was less aged and senial did it, seing as the guy could not even make ET without replacing all guns with walky talkies.

Starwars does have blood and drama you know, but 1 and 2 don't.

[alkaline888]

A leg donation from 3P0???? A leg donation???? Seriously? What the hell??? That's gotta be a red herring.

I hope and pray it's a red herring... George, where's your marbles?

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[Taton]

"At one point Sideous is shooting electricity at Mace, who deflects it with his funky saber and it shoots into Anakin's eyes, and he goes crazy and chops off Mace's arm"

WHATS WITH PEOPLE LOSIN THEIR FREAKIN ARMS!!!

The symbolism must be eluding me...

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"A fight should be clean and elegant, without waste"
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[Burning Gundam]

I dunno. It may be able to explain a few more things from the first movies. It has been a while since George Lucas made those movies, and there have been different cultural changes that may have contributed to the awkwardness.

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[XDelusion]

That's part of the problem, Starwars should not change according to "our" cultural changes, Starwars was set to take place "A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY" not in sports areana where aliens get jiggy wid it and sway there heads side to side, C3PO is familiar with American slang (what a drag), and the Force has to loose its mysticism in favor of science?!?! I could have swore Lucas used to be great friends with Jospeph Campbell )http://www.rain.org/~young/articles/campbell.html), I guess since he died, Lucas kinda lost his vision to create a Mythology for the modern world?!?!

Starwars made an impact on my growing up, I'm 28 now and still take the Lessons of Master Yoda more to heart than much of what had been tought to me by the school, church and state. Aside of the bad acting, loss of characters you could relate to and grow to love, ect, it is really horrible to see Mythology that led you threw life, torn to shreds like so.

[Nottheking]

I don't mind seeing the arms get chopped off... There's a site dedicated to this art, but I forgot where it is...

The part of these "prequel" movies I hate most is that they have completely re-written the original ones... It was supposed to be Obi-Wan (whose teacher was Yoda, not Qui-Gon) hid the Skywalker twins seperately...

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[Burning Gundam]

Yeah, well, what can you really do?

I'm 18 and probably wasn't even born around ROTJ. In fact, I used to hate Star Wars, now it is one of my favorite pastimes. But I seriously wouldn't fret over these things, maybe Lucas just wanted to try something new that he probably couldn't do when he created the originals.

There's my philosophy of the whole thing.

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[Nottheking]

Also, among others, I am saddened to see the role suddenly changed... I'm only 17, but I've been interested in Star Wars since about 1995, before the Special Edition Trilogy came out.

Boba Fett used to be a mysterious character, who had discarded his past life when he became an assassin. Now, he's simply a cloned killing machine, simply a stormtrooper (although a good one) with better weaponry.

Now, Chewbacca was supposed to have been enslaved by the Empire, and was rescued when Han Solo attacked his superior (Imperial) officer to free him. Now, Chewbacca has always been a fighter for good, and always been part of the action. My question is: HOW THEN, DID HE WIND UP AS A SMUGLER CO-PILOT, AND NOT A REBEL FIGHTER?!

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[Burning Gundam]

That does bring up an interesting point. Also, I found a flaw in the second movie AotC.

I read the Jedi Academy trilogy and it said that the Death Star was first designed by scientists before the Empire in the Maw Installation.
In AotC, those weird insect guys from geonosis created the plans for the Death Star. WRONG!!

I just thought I'd point that out. It annoyed me for a while.

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[Nottheking]

I agree. Also, I imagine just how humourous C-3PO would sound if he really DID speak slang:

3PO: "Wazzup, my hommies? You all should come and check this Shiznit out!"

I was laughing quite well, thinking about that...

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[XDelusion]

The contradictions you guys are talking about are mostly stemmed from the Expanded Universe books, and or Role Playing Game. It is sad that Lucas did not continue on with those stories, and keep them the way we have come to know them over the years, but then again it is his story so I guess he'll do with it what he wants. Sad part is that it makes the Expanded Universe less interesting to read now that it does not connect with the new films, and the Role Playing Game now needs a total work over for the new history that has been created.

Bobba Fett for instance was supposed to be a sort of Galatic Police Officer who wore standard issue uniform. His job during the clone wars was to hunt out and kill Jedi. Over time he became the last of his kind, and once the wars were over, continued to wear his uniform and began work as a bounty hunter.

Also the clone wars according the the Expanded Universe version was supposed to be a battle between Jedi, and CLONES OF JEDI! And the storm troopers were supposed to have been humans or rather mostly Mandalorians who enlisted, not mere clones.

The Storm Troopers in Episode 2 seem silent and ever ready to be on call, where the Storm Troopers in the REAL Starwars trilogy are always found talking to one anther, and complaining about what there doing, turning around and running away from a threat, ect.


I'd have to re-watch the original Starwars flicks (it's been a few months), but I do not recall Obi-Wan stating specifically that he hid the twins himself, but rather that "they" had to hide them from Lord Vader.

As for him calling Yoda his master...

...well Yoda was everyone's master, he was head of the Academy. The little guy was too powerful to focus all his wisdom on just one pupil, so that makes sence, though it would have been nice if Obi-Wan could have made reference to his personal teacher in some way in the original Trilogy. I don't really think Lucas has all the details worked out back then, but then again he could have at least went back and re-watched and read his old work a couple dozen times, then brought in a crew of Starwars nuts who have every detail memorized, then began to write up the details for the prequals, but I guess the guy don't care about the fan base he has created, and would rather sell out, and market his crap to a new younger audience, which does not seem to be working out too well since even the younger audience seems to prefer the old over the new.


I can't wait to find out how r2D2, c3p0, and Obi-Wan all got amnesia, and forgot that they had ever met though. That is the dumbest way you can possibly tie the old with the new. "Oh, we'll make it so young Anakin (played by some dork arse kid), built c3p0, then he can later meet r2d2"...

...two robots out of the millions in the universe, who just happened to keep falling into the hands of the same family, oh ya, the Force (now known as a sience) works in mysteious ways. My arse!!!

Now on the the arm chopping. Kool, no problem, Dark Vader is half robot anyhow, so that makes sence. Now if he looses a leg and c3p0 donates one, that would be bull cause c3p0 can't even hardly run, rather they would make him a more propper leg, and seing as Palpatine is very rich and powerful, I'm sure he would see to it that he got a propper replacement.

I do think it would be kool though if Anakin had to kill off Christopher (COunt DOoky) Lee, as that would be not unlike when Luke was supposed to kill off vader to take his place...

...Boba Fett should kill off Mace, since that was his father, or better yet, in an attempt to kill his father, his appempt was interfered with my Han Solo...
...then later Mace dies at the hands of Anakin, or trips and hits his head on a toilet bowl as Sam Jackson said on Conan.

Only problem is...


...can any of you see Anakin kicking anyone's arse? The dude is too skinny and whiney. Sure Luke was small and whiney in part 4, but he shaped up to actually look like a Mystic Knight, the boy playing Anakin just does not do it for me, he looks like he belongs in NSYNC, or you could toss a couple tatoos on him and he could be in a new metal band...

...either way, he is a puss.

[Nottheking]

Originally, to get a book published for what is now simply tossed aside as "The Expanded Universe", it had to be completely in-line with all other works in print/film. If they qualified (all publications, and games today, are!), then they would have just as much say in the storyline as the movies themselves.

Apparently, Lucas's marketing conciences have decided to Hell with everything else (even episodes IV-VI!), and just show off cheap CGI effects.

The Gungans (let alone Jar-Jar!) should have never been of any importance in the story, and at most should have held parts like the Bith do in the original movies.

Although Anakin is brilliant, I doubt he could make a STOCK protocol droid with spare parts, at the AGE OF NINE!

Also, this blows everything away, 'cuz I doubt that Obi-Wan, let alone Vader, would forget the droids. Also, how would C-3P0 get into Leia's hands, and Vader not know? And why has the Force become more like medical science, and less like Magic? This stuff infuriates me. (The Dark Tide- I mean Side!!!)

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[Lionel Fouillen]

[XDelusion]

Well they say he never knew even in the early episodes of Starwars. I just figured that shortly after he knocked her up, he tripped out and went off the deep end so far as to not spend much quality time around her any more since he would then be more pre-occupied with other things, in which case no, he would not notice.
If he were a good Jedi, he'd be very close to his loved one...


...or perhaps because he was a good Jedi, realized that he had to abandon his dreams of being a Family guy, and sacrifice his personal desires, and his family ties for the life of the Jedi, which is commen with the mystics in the East.

[Burning Gundam]

Or maybe Anikan realised that Padme was pregnant, and totally flipped! He only cared about her up until then. Then he kills Padme before Luke and Liea are born so he wouldn't have to pay child support ! I'm so brilliant sometimes .

As for Steven Spielberg, considering all the other great Sci Fi movies he's done, such as Minority Report and AI, I think he could be very much capable of continuing Star Wars. In fact, both of those movies I just mentioned did have a little bit that resembled Star Wars in some ways, and I'm not just talking about the graphics either. I'm greatly confident that if George Lucas and Steven Spielberg were to colaborate on the future of Star Wars and share ideas and plans, I'm pretty sure Steven could pull it off.

Oh, that Obi Wan Kenobi, C-3PO, and R2-D2 amnesia thing bothered me too. But I think it's understandable for Kenobi because there are so many droids in the universe ( ). But then again, R2-D2 had remembered Obi Wan Kenobi to a certain degree, and then C-3PO is just plain brain dead. Or the droids could have had their memories erased when they had become owned by the rebellion as to erase any ties they once had to the Old Republic in the past. I think that's pretty logical if you ask me.

And you guys are right about the expanded universe thing as well. It was George's idea, and the books were in vision of different authors. So I guess it makes sense. But still, I like the idea of the Death Star being designed by top notch scientists in the Maw rather than some annoying bugs in a bee hive.

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[Taton]

O well, I guess that's the waylife is...

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"A fight should be clean and elegant, without waste"
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[XDelusion]

And for that, George Lucas should die, as he was our "only hope" at having something in this life that was real, tangible and un-sold out, but alas, another great piece of art is sold out to marketing.

[Jackson]

Hmmmm... I interpreted "Anakin doesn't realize she's having twins" as meaning that, while he DOES realize Padme's pregnant, he DOESN'T realize she's having two kids.

[XDelusion]

That could VERY WELL be, since he was pretty calm about the idea of having a son in Empire...

[Nottheking]

I don't like the prospect of having Spielberg direct further Star Wars movies... His style just wouldn't fit!

To explain it, I want you to realize that many, if not most, of his movies (including ET, AI, and Cacth me if you Can...), the focal point is an out-of-place boy. This is essentialy Speilberg bemaoning his childhood. I'd hate to see this reflected in Episodes VII-IX, which would probably result in C'Boath not being an insane clone, but instead being a frustrated orphan.

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[Burning Gundam]

On the contraire, I believe that George Lucas and Steven Speilberg think along the same level, just there interprutation of certain things is really much different than each others. But like I said earlier, if they were to colaborate on ideas, they could probably create something incredibly awsome!

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[XDelusion]

After seing Episode 1 and 2, I can plainly see that Lucas is not on the same mental, phylosophical/spiritual, or artistic level that he was when he made the original films. Infact I'd go as far as to say that he is a totally different person all together. Episode 5 and 6 managed to get some tears out of me, or at least draw me REALLY close and personal to the characters in the film. Episode 1 and 2 has came FAR from doing that, I just find them as being...

...pretty kool, for an old sold out dude, who lost his passion and his spirit after his early days of independant films.

Now as for Speilberg, the dude is off his rocker at times, too and seems to have let the media get the best of him, as we can see in the DC of ET where all guns are now walky talkies. COME ON NOW! If guns and violence results to violent children, then our hillbilly president would be public enemy #1.
On the other hand, Speilberg's out of place child would be the PERFECT fit for Anakin, infact the AI kid would have made a better young anakin. Lucas' Anakin was not too out of place for a virgin birth/prophetic messiah/child prodigy. He has a few friends, a couple who picked on him, he looked like a clean cut yuppy child from some american sub-burb, he did not come across as smart as he was, and there DEFINATLY did not seem to be "MUCH FEAR IN HIM".

The AI kid on the other hand fit these descriptions pefectly. He was something special and unique, that did not fit it, was shunned, feared, and was afraid himself, he was the sheep lost in the darkness, VERY biblical, VERY symbolical, a lost soul you could really feel for, and relate to! Someone who if you ever saw bad come to him, you'd feel bad, someone who in his fear, misery, and confusion, could be led astray from being this nice little boy, to something dark and menacing if manipulated by the right hands...


Speilburg, I think, could have done the job right....

...so long as he did not replace all light saber's with walky talkies that is, but Starwars was always pretty clean cut as it is, just a little blood shed in a cantina here and there.


To sum it all up, Lucas is a good director, but no longer a good author, as Stephen King was a good author, but possibly the world's worst director, who manages to actually re-make a film based on his own works, and rips it dignity to shreds.

[XDelusion]

http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_623549.html?menu=

[Taton]

Man that article is ancient.. Its like Pre-Episode II!!

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[XDelusion]

Ya, I know, who knows, maybe Lucas has one remaining brain cell and changed his mind. Would be kool, we can only hope.

[Burning Gundam]

Well, it's official. If George does do episodes 7-9...

Sadly, they're going to suck .

By then, things coulnd't get any worse. C-3PO will be played by Mike Meyers, Princess Leia will be played by Jennifer Lopez, Luke Skywalker will be played by Rob Schnieder, and Han Solo will be played by Ben Afleck. And finally, R2D2 will be played with a new outfit of your everyday garbage can with wheels that are so old, a janitor has to role him around. Oh the Temerity!!!

I agree with a lot of you that the prequels do suck to a certain extent, but they were still a good idea at the time, now I'm just waiting for episode 3 to come out and scream "IT'S OVER!! I'M FREE!!!"

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[Taton]

You never know. MAybe George made episode 1 and 2 so awful, so that when Episode III is halfway decent, we'll think its great.

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"A fight should be clean and elegant, without waste"
-Asuka Langley Sohryu, Evangelion