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[Tom Manning]

I bought an X-BOX about three weeks ago, and it rocks!.

I have;

HALO
Agent Under Fire
Clone Wars
Tetris Worlds

The last two came with the X-Box. How many of ya'll have an X-Box, a lot of people I know like PS2 better, but I tell them they are retarted.

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Aragorn: Return of the King

[Matt H]

As an X-Box owner, I'll say: don't knock the PS2. It's still pretty darn cool. I.E.: There's no Twisted Metal: Black for X-Box (unfortunately.) Ditto for GTA3 and GTAVC.

I bought my X-Box with an X-box game night in mind (we had 9 players, and only 2 X-Boxes, so we needed a third box. I was looking to get a DVD player, anyway.) The game nights are when I play it the most - usually Halo. It is a great game. (And we have another one coming up soon!)

I did play thruogh the first Buffy game, I must admit.

How is Clone Wars? I want to check out it and KOTOR, though again, I'm not really much of a gamer.

And yet, I'm still tempted to buy a Gamecube, just for Rogue Leader and Rebel Strike. *sigh*

[Matt K]

They just released GTA3 and GTA:Vice City as a $50 bundle for the X-Box. Rejoice!

And I've heard KOTOR is beyond excellent. Luckily for us non XBox owners it's being released on the PC fairly soon.

[Mattias Welander]

[Nottheking]

[Nottheking]

Oh, and as for the gamecube, I'd like to get one of those, but so far, I see only two games that REALLY make me want one: Sonic Megacollection, and F-Zero GX.

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[Burning Gundam]

I'm still living in the past.

Playstation, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, Sega Game Gear, and the family owns a Playstation2.

I don't really have time for them any more (Too busy editing DF !) so I haven't bothered to purchase any of the newer systems.

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[Nottheking]

[Taton]

I GOT A SEGA GENESIS AT A GARAGE SALE FOR 5 BUCKS!!!

It even came with 3 games and the cables. Unfortunately, I had to buy controllers at Gamestop, each of them costing 5 dollars...

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[Nottheking]

[Burning Gundam]

Yeah, I've got all these newer cooler systems, but It still want a sega genesis. I should just go to Toys R Us and buy a new one for 20$. It comes with a game and a controller. Not a bad price.

Then I will buy:

Golden Axe 1 and 2
Sonic the Hedgehog (1-3)
and I don't know what else.

Just wishful thinking though.

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[Nottheking]

You should skip buying a new one; the new ones are the "Sega Genesis 3", which is a hacked-off (yet tiny) version of the original, and a used one is much cheaper. There's probably some used game stores you could go to, and pick up a Genesis for mabye $10. As for what it's missing, the Genesis 3 can't be expanded with the Sega CD or the Sega 32x (although it may have it built-in, as I've no way of telling)

As for games, Golden Axe is somewhat decent, although if I remember right, rather simplistic.

Sonic is definitely one of the best series ever developed. See if you can get lucky and get Sonic 3 & Knuckles. The original S3 has had only the following levels:

Angel Island (2 levels)
Hydro City (2 levels)
Marble Gardens (2 levels)
Carnival Night (2 levels)
Ice Cap (2 levels)
Launch Base (2 levels)

The ...& Knuckles version, while rarer, is FAR better, allowing:

Play as Knuckles (you get to visit the areas you can't get to as Sonic/Tails)
Mega Emeralds (Upgraded version of the Chaos Emeralds, allowing greater powers, and yes, Super Tails)
More levels, starting after Launch Base:

Mushroom Valley (2 levels)
Flying Batery (2 levels)
Sandopolis (2 levels)
Lava Reef (2 levels)
Hidden Palace (1 level)
Sky Sanctuary (1 level)
The Death Egg (2 levels)
Doomsday (1 level)

The new levels (save for the hidden Palace) are FAR longer, making the 10-minute limit a credible danger. Also, the Death Egg zones are much better than the excuse-for-a-last-level presented in S2.

as far as other games, I reccomend some other games, such as Castlevania: Bloodlines (It's somewhat strange, short, but offers about 3-5 hours of good challenge), as well as The Lost Vikings (Comedy, moderate action, and good puzzles all combined into one).

Some games may be avoided, such as Sonic 3-D Blast, which has a nice-looking intro cutscene, but actual gameplay is just overhead 2-D.

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[Burning Gundam]

I've played Sonic and Knuckles. That one was a lot of fun. I almost beat it, but I couldn't figure out how to beat the final boss. Not that it matters anymore though. Still, I liked it a lot. But my absolute favorite was Sonic 2, my favorite zone being the zone with the lava and trees. The one high in the mountains. I forgot what it's called though. I haven't played it in a while.

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[Tom Manning]

[Burning Gundam]

Nice "Access Denied", Nottheking .

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[Matt K]

[Mattias Welander]

Exactly what I said, yes.

[Tom Manning]

I just bought Pirates of the Carribian last night. I haven't played too many RPGs before, but I love this one.

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For all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you, Stand, Men of the West!
Aragorn: Return of the King

[Patrick Haslow]

Why play the GTA series on Xbox?

From Gamespot.com:

The
PlayStation 2 versions looked fantastic, given the relatively underpowered PS2
hardware, and the ports that appeared on the PC did a nice job of cleaning up and
improving upon the original PS2 games. But the Xbox versions of the games go one step
further than that. You'll immediately notice reflections coming off the cars, and the
lighting in general is better. The texture quality and character models have been
improved. The draw distance seems a little further out. And the frame rate remains
pretty stable throughout. The games take advantage of the Xbox's audio prowess by
playing in Dolby Digital 5.1 sound and offering support for the custom soundtrack
feature. The games' video will stretch to the 16:9 aspect ratio and will also play in
480p.

Also, the Xbox allows you to create your own custom soundtracks from any of your own music and save it on the system's hard drive.

[Mattias Welander]

#define "Patrick Haslow" Gamespot.com

[Nottheking]

[Nottheking]

The way I see it, you don't play a game on both the PC and the XBox. You get the XBox to avoid the problems of cash outlay and compatability, among others. Also, Split-sceen multiplayer is standard for consoles, while it is not for most PC games.

The above removed, the XBox is sorely behind the potential that a PC/Mac can provide. The XBox, while specialized for games alone, still gets a handicap from using a 32-bit Pentium III processor, whereas PCs can come with far better 64-bit proccessors, and even the 32-bit Athlon XP and Pentium 4 are still better.

As far as graphical effects, I'd also like to have a more in-depth explaination of "better lighting". What modes do the three version use: Vertec, Lightmaps, or projected lighting? Although I do recognise that you're merely quoting an independent review, I certainly hope that "better" means more than simply using more contrasted scenes.

As far as reflections, are they actual reflections, or sphere-maped onto the surface, as water is in UT2K3, among others?

The XBox, unlike the PC, has fixed specifications. Halo is just about the maximum of what the XBox can offer; future games ported, such as Doom 3, will undoubtedly lose some of their brilliance.

To me, what makes the XBox out of my picture happens to be one of its strengths: its basis on Windows NT technology, coupled with directX. Because it utilizes the same standards for PC games, it's very easy, simple, and profitable for games made on one to be ported to the other, making it stupid to limit a game to only one of them. As such, there's hardly any games at all that will be availible for the XBox, while never seeing the PC. And since PC versions allow you to fiddle with the settings all you want, along with allowing for an editor, I see no need for me to get an XBox, since I am not the kind of person who invites my friends over to play modern video games. That's just me though.

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[Nottheking]

[Mattias Welander]

[Patrick Haslow]

Mattias, your anally detailed dissection of that article shows me you must be a sensing personality, more concerned with details than the larger issue at hand. That larger issue being that, overall the sum of the changes created an Xbox GTA that is an improved version. I'm sorry if you gleaned a different perception of the article.

[AlexG]

And also audio, video, graphics, and other settings are like art in a sense. Words like, "better" and "superior" can't really apply because one person may like other settings more than the next person. And, also, some folk just prefer the console over the PC.

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[Mattias Welander]

[Nottheking]

[Mattias Welander]

I would ask you to provide us with proof of that. 64 bit processing means you get 64 bit pointers and 64 bit integers in hardware instead of software. Please provide us with evidence that game performance with 64 bit computing is "far better", to use your own words, than 32 bit computing.

You can do this two ways:

A) Name an important game that requires more than 2 GB of continuous memory.

B) Name a game that relies (definition here: more than 30% of the integer operations use 64 bit operands) on 64 bit integers.

[Nottheking]

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