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[alkaline888]

Oh dear! Have we lost Brad? All we wanted was a few easy fixes......

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[Burning Gundam]

I think I may have scared him off. Sorry.

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[Nottheking]

Actually, it might have been me... I apologize for that...

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[Nottheking]

Apparently, from what I've heard, Dark Forge could also use a feature that counts the total number of things, such as verticies, objects, and the number of each type of resource used.

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[Burning Gundam]

Yes, that would be helpful. But personally, I think it's unnecessary. It would still be a cool little feature.

Oh! Oh! Another thing I discovered.

For objects that don't have a logic for instane, those that just have a radius or height number but no logic, they still appear as player objects and are still player objects. It would be nice to eliminate that problem because I have to go through a series of changes just to make a piece of scenery.

It would be nice that if you do the auto wall texture stitching, that it also stitches any signs. Because after you stitch, you have to go back and change the length on the wall you want the sign on. It's actually not that big-a-deal, but it does get annoying sometimes.

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[Brad Oliver]

[Nottheking]

Well, the name of the threa is "Dark Forge COMMENTS and Bugs...

Anyway, some of the suggested new features may just be wishful thinking, but many would really add to the value of any DF editor... Especially the cleave/merge command. (Look out, Asteroid!)

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[alkaline888]

Brad, my personal preference would be to have the simplest bugs corrected first, followed by the complex bugs.

And then lastly, new features... if you have that much time & energy. I think it would be a true pity if all your efforts were spent on new features and the basic bugs went untouched.

Then again, fixing some bugs might be too mundane to grab your imagination. You're the man!

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[Burning Gundam]

Are you going to carbonize Dark Forge under Mac OS X as well? That would be greatly helpful because I recently got a G4 and the original Dark Forge doesn't run well for me. However, Gob Viewer 2.0 ran perfectly! I don't know about being able to still use Dark Forces, but at least I could still finish what I started.

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[Brad Oliver]

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[Patrick Haslow]

Hey Brad, have you read this thread?
http://forums.df-21.net/viewtopic.php_t=109

It seems some Mac users are having trouble even running DF on newer, G4 macs. Something to keep in mind as you are working on an OS X Dark Forge.

[Brad Oliver]

[Burning Gundam]

Actually, Patrick, I'm curious.

What kind of mac do you use?

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[Patrick Haslow]

I am stuck with my:

Yosemite G3 400 Mhz
512mb RAM
16MB ATI Rage

...until I can afford a new one. A difficult thing at the moment as my funds are now split between a Mac and a PC.

Oh, as a side note about DF editing on the Mac, I have all the Mac DF tools under a DF button in my launcher, including a mountable image of the DF CD, so I never actually have to put in the CD anymore. Very handy.

[Burning Gundam]

Really? I thought you of all people would have a G4!

However, I was looking through apple.com and found some interesing things. Like a patch for updating some games that don't work well either, like StarCraft. Plus there's always Jedi Outcast. Is there an editor for that as well?

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[Nottheking]

[The MAZZTer]

Don't use JK2Radiant, use GTKRadiant, it's superior.

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[Brad Oliver]

[Burning Gundam]

This will be the last feature that I suggest, and it HAS to be in there...

HOT KEYS!! OR COMMANDS for adjoining, disconnecting or extruding walls!!!!

It gets tiring having to go all the way to the menu to tell it to adjoin. It would be helpful if you had CommandA be the adjoin combo, CommandD be the disconnect combo, and CommandE be the Extrude combo.

Okay, I'll shut up now .

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[Tom Manning]

YES!! I have thought that time after time, that would be one of the most helpful features, would that be very hard?

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[Brad Oliver]

[Tom Manning]

Really? how? I have Resedit, could you detail how to do that?

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[Nottheking]

Ah! Shortcut keys are definitely a must, 'cause they can hack off around 50% of the editing time!

Another question, since I have no real knowledge of Mac DF/Dark Forge: Can you edit the flag bit values directly? In WDFUSE, the item editing "floater" has the values for each field listed, just as they would appear in the .LEV file. Of course, double-clicking on the field brings up a menu with all possible choices... Thus, it's easy to copy flag values from sector to sector.

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[japh]

I like shortcut keys because I hate hate hate moving my hands away from the keyboard to the mouse. Have you noticed how much faster C-f is compared to moving to the mouse, moving the mouse, (fighting bad mice), and then clicking on 'file'?

Eh, I mean M-f of course.

[Nottheking]

By "Fighting bad mice", are you refering to mice that just don't move the cursor that way the mouse moves? I thought that was normal for mice, and I use a trackball instead .

But even still, a shortcut key is definitely FAR quicker than selecting the menu command with the mouse... It must be rediculously slow to try to throw together a decent DF level if you must go to the menu for ever single adjoin...

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[Tom Manning]

I really hate it when I have created a bunch of sectors and then I have to select walls and go to the menu and adjoin each one from the menu. Takes me hours.

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[Tom Manning]

Okay, I opened Dark Forge in RESedit and made me some hot keys, pretty easy really.

Oh, and I love being able to turn the splash screen off, I hated that thing when I started the program several times a day.

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[Patrick Haslow]

A "multiple adjoin/ de-adjoin" feature would be great also.
Another field to add to the wall detail window- "wall light". Since DF walls can be made to display their colors at a light level CMP setting regardless of the sector's CMP light level, it would be really handy to double click on a wall, type in the wall's light level and be done with it. If I want to do it now I have to crack open the .LEV file in a text editor.

[Nottheking]

WDFUSE makes most editing quick, by providing all of the parameters for the selected item at once. It would make sense for Dark Forge to be able to do the same.

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