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KnighT
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2003 16:34    Post subject: WTF... View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20031015/ts_nm/mideast_dc

...WTF...

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Kell Dragon

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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2003 16:57    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
UUgghhh... old skool embarrasment

Another reason why I don't involve myself in politics.

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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2003 17:07    Post subject: Insert subject here! View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Yes, there are militant extremists from all sides... Hopefully, this won't result in an invasion force being sent over there, too.

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KnighT
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2003 17:13    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
Yes, allow the Palestinians to murder our citizens, good call.

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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2003 17:31    Post subject: Insert subject here! View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KnighT wrote:
Yes, allow the Palestinians to murder our citizens, good call.


What do you imply by that? Send in an over-sized storm force? You know that American troops are dying in Iraq almost every single day. Personally, I don't feel that invasion forces are as effective as the politicians have touted them, as Vietnam and Gulf II have shown...

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Zev
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PostPosted: Oct 16, 2003 00:19    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
Am I the only one who thinks the UN should just make a big-arse standing army and put the Middle East under martial law? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Oct 16, 2003 00:43    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Zev wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the UN should just make a big-arse standing army and put the Middle East under martial law? Very Happy




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PostPosted: Oct 17, 2003 15:36    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
I'm curious as to why we are allowing our soldiers to die at the rate of about one a day. Are we not paying attention over there or what?

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PostPosted: Oct 17, 2003 18:36    Post subject: Insert subject here! View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KnighT wrote:
I'm curious as to why we are allowing our soldiers to die at the rate of about one a day. Are we not paying attention over there or what?


I believe that the coalition forces were/are completely unprepaired for the next-to-impossible taks they are sent out on.

On that subject, here's today's dose of the death toll in Iraq:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/10/17/sprj.irq.main/index.html

I believe that the coalition troops have been shoved into a losing situation, and that the only way to save them is to withdraw them. Unfortunately, that would not look good on the reccords of the president and other top commanders, so they won't do it.

In other words, the troops are dying out there, because the people at the top are too afraid to say that they messed up, because doing so would certainly cost Bush his re-election.

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PostPosted: Oct 17, 2003 20:51    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
Even though it is wrong for anyone to die, the death toll in Iraq points at the war being a success. Generals predicted before the war that hundreds of soldiers would have died in the first few DAYS. However over the whole time we've been in Iraq, we've only lost about 150 soldiers. This points to it being a successful situation.

Anyways, were still in a lose-lose situation. If we stay in Iraq, we get told that weve failed and that were evil and etc.

If we leave, Iraq would likelyfall into anarchy until another dictator comes along.

P.S.: I dont want to sound heartless about the dying thing, but it does make a valid point

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Zev
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PostPosted: Oct 18, 2003 10:00    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
The invasion wasn't costly in terms of lives, no; that doesn't make it a success.

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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2003 19:07    Post subject: View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
I also believe that, just because they weren't US troops, the Iraqi civilians also mattered. A few links below say something about the civilian death toll:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0522/p01s02-woiq.html

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2003/05/000902.html

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/iraq/1946360

All of the above suggest somewhere around the 10,000 range. Personally, when the civilian death toll exceeds the military death toll (for boths sides), there's a problem. As far as the number of dead Sadaam troops, the number is assuredly lower than the civilian death toll, considering the number taken prisoner.

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PostPosted: Oct 22, 2003 19:17    Post subject: Insert subject here! View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Oh, and here's an interesting (if somewhat humorous) after-war quiz:

http://home.iitk.ac.in/student/vvaish/tr2xhac/nph-proxy.cgi/000101A/http/www.zmag.org/shalomquizi.htm

I got 18/18, just to show how American I am. (you be the judge...)

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