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AlexG
Dark Trooper Phase 1
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 Posted: Nov 10, 2003 22:55 Post subject: DVD |
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Can anyone reccomend a nice, FREE DVD playing program for the PC? I need only 2 features: Full Screen and able to play DVDs. Anyone? Anyone willing to send me a program? Pleeeeeeeeeease?
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Tom Manning
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| Posted: Nov 10, 2003 23:04 Post subject: |
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Do You have a DVD drive?
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Mattias Welander
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| Posted: Nov 10, 2003 23:47 Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure there are no legal free DVD playback programs available, since CSS decryption must be licensed, which cost quite a bit of money.
You can pick from the following, though:
1) Free and legal MPEG-2 playback programs, with no CSS support. You can play back DVD files, but not DVDs.
2) Free and illegal DVD playback programs. Works well, but it all depends on how much you believe in American patent law.
3) Commercial and legal DVD playback programs. No problem there, except it doesn't answer your question.
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AlexG
Dark Trooper Phase 1
Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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Oh, Mattias, you mean that it is illegal to create a program for DVDs and just give it away? Well, then, never mind. I didn't realize that you couldn't do that.
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Mattias Welander
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| Posted: Nov 11, 2003 16:36 Post subject: |
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No, I mean it is illegal in the US to create a program that decodes DVDs without paying the license fee for the CSS decryption algorithm. Since all companies I know of that are involved in the DVD industry would like to operate in the US, they tend to follow US legislation even if they are based outside the US.
If they do pay the license fee, they're free to give the program away for free. But I can't understand why any company would be stupid enough to do that.
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Taton
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| Posted: Nov 11, 2003 16:41 Post subject: |
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Use Windows Media Player. It actually does play DVDs.
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Mattias Welander
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| Posted: Nov 11, 2003 17:04 Post subject: |
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Actually, it doesn't.
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Taton
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| Posted: Nov 11, 2003 21:01 Post subject: |
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Yes it does. I just watched an episode of Nadesico on it the other day.
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Mattias Welander
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Lie all you want. It still doesn't make it work.
To play a DVD in Windows Media Player, you need a CSS decryption filter, a VOB splitter, an MPEG-2 decoder filter and an AC3 decoder filter. Neither of them are supplied with DirectShow or Windows Media Player. Thus, I have proved that you can not play DVDs with it or with any other DirectShow player.
If that's not enough for you, then please allow me to quote the DirectShow SDK for you:
"To play DVDs using an application based on DirectShow, users must have installed on their system a third-party hardware or software decoder that is DirectShow-compatible."
Case closed.
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Nottheking
Kell Dragon
Joined: 29 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Nov 11, 2003 22:08 Post subject: |
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To answer Mattias, one must remember that capitalism takes different forms in different countries. It would make sense in the USA to give something away for free, if giving it away would help gain money elsewhere. I would guess that the most probable case for DVD decoding softare here would be having it bundles with some other hardware, especially if it's DVD hardware marketed to the average consumer. Since I have never studdied the economy of Sweden, I would have no idea how the market works there.
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Mattias Welander
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Well, that's not exactly the case. The companies bundling DVD software with their products are never the companies making the software (that is, the companies paying the CSS license fee). The software makers sell their DVD software to the hardware maker which bundles it with its hardware. So no, the DVD software maker doesn't give away their software for free even in the US.
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Taton
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| Posted: Nov 12, 2003 13:00 Post subject: |
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BUT I CAN STILL PLAY DVDS ON WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER!!!
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Mattias Welander
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Right. Then just show me the filter graph and prove you're not using any third party filters.
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Taton
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| Posted: Nov 13, 2003 22:07 Post subject: |
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What the heck are you talkin about?
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Mattias Welander
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You said Windows Media Player, which is a DirectShow player, is enough to play DVDs. So just show us the filter graph used so we can see you haven't cheated by installing any other DVD players.
Actually, you don't have to. You see, yesterday, just to make sure I and the DirectShow documentation I quoted before are right, and you are wrong, I sat down and wrote my own DirectShow DVD player. And can you imagine, I was right? 
If you don't believe me, I'd be happy to provide you with a copy of the program.
Now disprove me.
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AlexG
Dark Trooper Phase 1
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Mattias Welander
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| Posted: Nov 14, 2003 12:43 Post subject: |
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That's quite right, AlexG.
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Taton
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| Posted: Nov 14, 2003 13:15 Post subject: |
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Okay, now I see waht your saying.
*Fwaps self repeatedly for arguing pointlessly... AGAIN*
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Nottheking
Kell Dragon
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| Posted: Nov 14, 2003 18:57 Post subject: |
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I doubt that one would actually be able to get a legal "free" copy of the neccessary decoders... I think the best bet might be to try to get one bundled with some other hardware. If I remember right (and I certainly may be wrong here, so catch me before any real damage is done), some video cards (such as some Radeon cards) come with the decoder softaware needed... Mine came with some on the driver disk, but since I don't have a DVD drive in my computer, I don't know if it's all the software that's needed...
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