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XDelusion
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Joined: 18 Oct 2003
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He should have done 1-3 back in 87 when he first planned them.
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XDelusion
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Joined: 18 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Nov 01, 2003 22:45 Post subject: |
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Burning Gundam, I love your sence of humor, we seem to share the same respect for Hollywood. 
And ya 1-3 were kool to an extent, just could have been (should have been) MUCH more.
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Taton
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Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Nov 02, 2003 02:43 Post subject: |
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I find its lack of goodness disturbing...
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Burning Gundam
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Joined: 28 Sep 2003
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XDelusion wrote:
Burning Gundam, I love your sence of humor, we seem to share the same respect for Hollywood.
Heh Heh, Thanks 
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Patrick Haslow
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Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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I think that the rumor of Spielberg's involvement in more Star Wars episodes to be a crock of pure fanboy bullsh!t. "The trilogy needs to be great once again!!!!!" Did anybody read the report?
The source, "Dark Horizons" gave away his intentions for his own sad little fantasy in this one line- "The deal is everyone wants the sequels, except Lucas, who is apparently exhausted [Personally I'd say studio pressure]. If Spielberg directs, it could be ok. Better than those terrible prequel movies".
This loser sadly longs for the films of his dreams. Lucas feeling "studio pressure"? Give me a break! The guy owns every possible aspect of those films and no one ever could put pressure on him. He's not going to do anything he doesn't damn well want done himself.
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Nottheking
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Joined: 29 Sep 2003
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Personally, I think that if Lucas straightened up, and realized what he was doing, he could once again direct spectacularly, and produce excelent movies, such as IV and V.
Spielberge typically seems to makes his movies on a more personal level. The most important part of them is the releations (or lack thereof, as it often is) between the main characters.
For Lucas, most of his films seem to take a much grander scale, and break down into a simple war between good and evil. This has shown in most of his films: Star Wars, Willow, Indiana Jones, etc... The individual characters matter less here, and thus can be disposed of. In fact, the original script for RotJ had Lando die attempting to escape from the Death Star.
The way I see it, both are definitely very good directors (or have been...). However, I would put a clear line between what stories I would trust Lucas to film, and what I'd prefer to have Spielberg film. Spielberg would definitely get to film stories from Stephen King and Michael Crichton, as they tend to focus on individual characters. On the other hand, in stories where the main characters are simply interchangable symbols (which isn't neccessarily better or worse), Lucas would be the better director, as he would transfer the theme better.
To state my opinion of Episodes I/II, I think Lucas was going too much for drama, and forgot the overall theme of Star Wars. This slip-up first started to show in RotJ, especially with those accursed Ewoks, but many parts, such as the last lightsaber duel, made up for it. If Lucas realizes his misdirection, and corrects himself, Episode III should be rather nice. If he doesn't, it won't matter how many styles he brings back from the 70's, it will still be a piece of $#!+.
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Patrick Haslow
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| Posted: Nov 03, 2003 23:04 Post subject: |
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I have said this a million times- The Empire Strikes Back owes its greatness to Irvin Kershner's directing efforts.
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XDelusion
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Joined: 18 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Nov 04, 2003 01:15 Post subject: |
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Um, WHAT DRAMA in episodes 1 and 2!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Starwars is supposed to be a Space Drama, and episode 1 DID NOT in any way give us Drama, even when Qui Gon was burning, I did not see drama, just some bad actors standing around a camp fire acting...
...well badly.
Jar Jar sucked arse though, I guess being over exposed to him was kind of a dramatic experience for me, as we being over exposed to young anakin (Jingle all the way).
Part 2 was a lot better, but still not dramatic. If you wanna see dramatic watch Empire Strikes back, now THAT's DRAMATIC!
As for they Ewoks, they did not make or break the final film for me, and hey, at least some of them died. I liked the cute little buggers, yet I was glad when a few of them died, it was reality, not disney.
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Matt K
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Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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PH is right. Lucas' real success came when he shaped the story but handed over the directing reins to someone else.
The other big contributing factor to the original trilogy's success is that Lucas surrounded himself with extremely talented crew members: Phil Tippett, Joe Johnston, Ralph McQuarrie, Ben Burtt, John Williams, etc etc etc. Nowadays those guys, if they're still there at all, are probably Lucas yes-men (save perhaps Williams).
See, when the original trilogy was made, Lucas was an unknown who had one low budget cult fare flick (THX 1138) and one promising flick (American Graffiti) under his belt. This time around he's revered as a tiny god by millions of fans. There's a whole lot more baggage being brought to the table now than there was 25 years ago.
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Matt H
Dark Trooper Phase 1
Joined: 24 Sep 2003
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Matt K wrote:
The other big contributing factor to the original trilogy's success is that Lucas surrounded himself with extremely talented crew members: Phil Tippett, Joe Johnston, Ralph McQuarrie, Ben Burtt, John Williams, etc etc etc. Nowadays those guys, if they're still there at all, are probably Lucas yes-men (save perhaps Williams).
I pretty much agree with Matt K. I think Lucas does have some very talented people working for him, but they are certainly yes-men. They want to keep their jobs and keep working on Star Wars, which is why no one said, "George, this talking dog Jar-jar thing... it's not really working. He's really annoying. And what's with the fart jokes?"
I remember watching behind the scenes stuff for the special editions, there was a teleconference with Lucas, and no matter what Lucas said, no matter how little thought he gave something, they were saying "oh yeah, that's great, sure."
(The sad thing is, if I had the chance to be working on a Star Wars movie, I'd probably do the exact same thing.)
Williams may be the exception, true, but he's also grossly overruled. Look at the hack job they did to his score in Episode I. Lucas liked "Duel of the Fates" so much, he took out a lot of the music Williams wrote for the film and kept cutting and pasting the concert version of DotF in. (It also didn't help that Lucas kept re-cutting the film because some of his film buddies said he should, totally screwing up the music.)
Then there's the whole mess of recycled music in AotC...  
Ben Burtt, however, is still there I know, doing his thing. I think he's actually doing more than just sound - I think he's doing regular editing as well. But as such, I think he's kind of a yes-man too, at this point.
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XDelusion
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Joined: 18 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Nov 04, 2003 18:40 Post subject: |
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Aghh, yes, I forgot all the Yes Men and Women who populate the earth. They walk in the valley of darkness, and a blind man is there shepard. Who is the more foolish, the fool, or the fool following him? Ect.
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Nottheking
Kell Dragon
Joined: 29 Sep 2003
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By "Drama", I was reffering to soap opera/reality TV "drama". Shows like that put way too much in the character's personal lives, and thus it degrades the plot. A LOT.
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