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japh
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Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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I support the position that Mattias is being confusing. Perhaps not deliberately.
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DarthDoctor
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Joined: 29 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Dec 19, 2003 23:56 Post subject: |
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I agree with japh 
Basically, I do not see my religion as having a strong, political component to it. Should it? Yes. In an ideal universe, based upon ideas and mathematics, rather than words and physicks, it would be. But, as I said,
"Shoulds and woulds are fancy words for can't."
I don't see how, in this approximation, my Christianity can be embodied in political opinion.
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Mattias Welander
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Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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So when Jesus say "You're not allowed to kill people.", and the government says "You're allowed to kill people", you don't see any kind of conflict there?
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Tom Manning
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Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Dec 20, 2003 02:30 Post subject: |
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DarthDoctor wrote:
Mattias Welander wrote:
Actually, the main reason people hate Christians is because the government tells them to do so.
Mattias Welander wrote:
Actually, I do not think it is a reason to hate Christians. It's just that they do it anyway.
Oh yeah, word games soooo pea you off.
I understand perfectly, just read it again, slowly.
He is not saying that he doesn't think it The reason, he is saying he doesn't think it is a reason, like I don't think saying you didn't like Lord of the Rings is a reason to not watch Pirates of the Carribian, that is not a reason to not watch Pirates, though some might use it as a reason.
Maybe that is more confusing than ever, but I think if you read it carefully, and don't just read what you think it says, and pay attention to the words he used (and did not use) I think you will understand what he was saying.
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Mattias Welander
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Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Dec 20, 2003 02:34 Post subject: |
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Thank you. That's precisely what I meant. I thought it was perfectly clear from what I wrote, but perhaps the English interpretation of it was a bit more fuzzy than I thought.
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AlexG
Dark Trooper Phase 1
Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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Casey Neumiller
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Joined: 24 Sep 2003
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How, Mattias, do you define what "Christian" values are?
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AlexG
Dark Trooper Phase 1
Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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GAdRS
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Joined: 03 Oct 2003
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This has got to be the most ridiculous topic ever on DF-21. Never have I seen so many people interpreting something that's not even there (except in an English class discussing crappy literature). First off, my post had no mention of nor did it make any implication of Christianity being radical. I did not even use the word Christian in my post! I made no statement at all about the meaning of the word radical nor the meaning of the word Christian. I said 2 things: (1) Lionel is far more succint and clear than Mattias, and (2) Mattias does not represent the opinions of Europe as a whole. THAT WAS IT! NOTHING MORE!
As for all that other stuff: Mattias is right about Christianity, except for his anti-sharing-the-Good-News attitude. AlexG is right about that. I meant no slur against Christianity or Mattias or conservatives in general or liberals in general. I cannot possibly imagine how anybody could misunderstand my post so far as to see such a slur.
And, finally, Mattias.....I think your attitude on this board needs a serious adjustment. First you start calling people cockroaches for no reason, then you start incredible rudeness to everybody else on this board....what in the world do you think you're doing? Impressing people by being rude? When you badly misinterpret everyone else's posts (such as DarthDoctor's post about disregarding your statement), why should we even listen to you? You have to realise that we have little reason to listen to you when you misinterpret us and are rude to us because of it. Few of us can identify with your opinions because you don't clarify them. You say that it is a Christian value to hate the government, but I don't see how this follows. To prove that this is what you said, here are the quotes:
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Actually, the main reason people hate Christians is because the government tells them to do so.
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Then why are you opposing me when I present Christian values?
The clear antecedent for the "Christian values", i.e. the last value you presented, is the idea that the government hates Christians! Even in America, I have not seen evidence of this! Groups like the A.C.L.U. do often seem to hate Christians, but they are NOT the government!
Overall, I stress that going around with a humongous chip on your shoulder the size of the moon is NOT a Christian virtue. I also stress that if you can't say anything but rude comments, don't say anything at all.
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